6: Body Image: Changing How We Love Ourselves with Julia Parzyck

Jessica Armstrong (00:04):

Welcome to the Good Enough Podcast, a podcast that takes you into a new realm by inviting you to reduce your daily hustle and celebrate yourself right here.

McKenzie Raymond (00:14):

Tune in as we dive deep into vulnerable topics and interview guests who deliver transformative moments to you, our community of individuals healing on a collective journey.

Jessica Armstrong (00:25):

We’ll open up to the art of embodied self-care, and even on the days that you feel like a self-sabotaging rebel …

McKenzie Raymond (00:31):

We’re here to remind you that in this realm, we are all good enough.

McKenzie Raymond (00:35):

Hey, everyone, it’s Mackenzie. I’m back again with Jessica.

Jessica Armstrong (00:45):

Hi, everyone.

McKenzie Raymond (00:46):

We are so excited to be here to share another incredible conversation that we had the privilege of having today with Julia Parzyck. Julia is a content creator, also known as Fit Fat and All That, and we had such a fun, vulnerable, empowering conversation.

Jessica Armstrong (01:07):

Yes, she really was able to touch on so many amazing topics that we all have some kind of history with, whether it’s body image, or anxiety, or ADHD, or just really getting connected to yourself and getting away from these obsessions that we find ourselves in.

Jessica Armstrong (01:27):

So, so much to unpack here. We’re so excited to share it with everyone and we just can’t wait to hear what you think. Enjoy.

McKenzie Raymond (01:36):

Enjoy.

Jessica Armstrong (01:39):

Hey, everyone, welcome back to The Good Enough Podcast. You’re here with me, Jessica, and my buddy, McKenzie, and we are super excited to have this amazing, fabulous guest with us, Julia Parzyck with Fit Fat and All That.

Jessica Armstrong (01:55):

Hi Julia, how are you?

Julia Parzyck (01:57):

I’m good. I’m super, super excited to be here and I’m just so happy that you guys asked me on.

Jessica Armstrong (02:02):

Absolutely.

McKenzie Raymond (02:03):

Yes. Thank you so much for being here today. I feel like for a couple of years we have at least one or maybe more mutual friends and I just have felt like this soul sister connection with you.

McKenzie Raymond (02:17):

So, you are one of the first people I thought of when we were talking about our podcast and especially the idea of being good enough.

McKenzie Raymond (02:25):

I think that’s something that I really get so much like out of all of the content and all of the things that you put out. It’s like being able to feel good enough and like you are just out there looking confident, shaking your ass, just like inspiring me to do that.

McKenzie Raymond (02:43):

And it’s so inspiring and like to be able to hear your story. I just feel like it’s such a gift today. So, thank you.

Julia Parzyck (02:51):

Aw, thank you so much. Yeah, I love your whole idea of the podcast. It’s obviously something that really resonates with me because I didn’t feel good enough for a long time. So, thank you so much for having me on.

Jessica Armstrong (03:02):

The thing I really was just glued to when I was reading about your story and learning about everything that you’ve been through going from your relationship with your weight, with food, with your body and all that.

Jessica Armstrong (03:16):

And I think with women, especially millennials, we have really so much trauma around how our bodies are supposed to look and who are we impressing? Who are these people setting these standards, yet we feel like we are absolutely trapped to do so.

Jessica Armstrong (03:33):

And one part of your story that really resonated with me was about how you had to change your mindset in a way that you had to really look at your relationship with your body and how you were treating yourself and loving yourself.

Jessica Armstrong (03:49):

And I would love for you to share that origin story with our listeners and just how that transformation could have happened.

Julia Parzyck (03:57):

Yeah, absolutely. I’ll try and compact it down into a short story. But yeah, I mean, growing up, like I grew up in a very like loving family. My parents were super supportive but I come from a family of, honestly, most women on my mom’s side of the family struggled with eating disorders.

Julia Parzyck (04:14):

So, I just kind of grew up in that environment of like watching other women not like their bodies. And it was never anything that was like pushed onto me of like my body needed to look a certain way or anything like that.

Julia Parzyck (04:26):

But I mean, kids are sponges and your brains just absorb all of that information. And watching my mom and other women in my life not like their bodies and I’m thinking they just look beautiful and you start to internalize all that.

Julia Parzyck (04:38):

So, I started struggling with my body image probably around the age of like 13, around like the age of puberty when my body started to change, and I was noticing that it wasn’t looking like my friend’s bodies.

Julia Parzyck (04:50):

I’ve always been in like a curvier body, and I’ve always struggled with anxiety and ADHD as well.

Julia Parzyck (04:57):

And so, on top of struggling with my body image and wanting to fit in, wanting to feel like I was enough and also be like desired by like the boys in class and all of that type of stuff, I didn’t know how to cope with it.

Julia Parzyck (05:11):

I didn’t know that I was supposed to love my body. I think I just saw all of the information. If you’re a millennial, like you know how fucked up all of the content we were getting was.

Julia Parzyck (05:21):

I developed an eating disorder and I had one for about 10 years. And it morphed and changed over the years as I grew. But like what stayed the same as like I hated myself, I hated my body, I hated the way I looked.

Julia Parzyck (05:36):

I felt like the most important thing about me as a woman was my body and how I looked and how desired I was by men, how many men liked me, like how small my pants were. It was just all surrounded around how I looked, and all of my worth was wrapped up into that.

Julia Parzyck (05:50):

And I think I just kind of got to a point where I was just sick of my own shit. Like I was just like, “I’m so sick of feeling this way. Like there’s got to be another option.”

Julia Parzyck (06:01):

And I don’t think I was really presented with that many options throughout my life. Like there just wasn’t that type of content out there.

Julia Parzyck (06:07):

And when I moved out to LA, I had broken up with a boyfriend at the time, quit my teaching job and I was just like, “I’m going to move out to LA and quote-unquote stereotypically like find myself.” Which I totally did.

Julia Parzyck (06:19):

And I moved out there, which is like weird that in the midst of my eating disorder, I’m like, “Let me move to LA. The place where it’s like the mecca of body image issues and eating disorders.”

Jessica Armstrong (06:30):

They welcome it.

Julia Parzyck (06:32):

Yeah. And I remember thinking to myself, “Man, if I go to LA, I got to get this shit under control because I know it could be a slippery, slippery slope out there.”

Julia Parzyck (06:40):

And I sought out an eating disorder like therapist, but to be honest, at the time I like didn’t even think I had an eating disorder. I was just like, “I have body image issues.” And then it was very much apparent that she was like, “No, girlfriend, like you have an eating disorder.” And I was like, “Oh, okay.”

Julia Parzyck (06:56):

And yeah, I kind of just got sick of my shit and I was like, “I just don’t want to feel this way about myself.”

Julia Parzyck (07:03):

I kind of had come to terms with my eating disorder and like had told myself like, “This is just always something I’m going to struggle with. I’m always going to hate my body. This is kind of what as women we do.”

Julia Parzyck (07:15):

Then I was like, “That’s kind of like a messed up thought to have. Like no, I should like myself, I should love myself, I should take care of my body.”

Julia Parzyck (07:24):

And then I went through my recovery and got to this place where I just like really had to unpack everything that I had been taught about my body and myself as a woman, and honestly rewrite my entire story and create new neuropathways in my brain.

Julia Parzyck (07:39):

And it was a whole long journey. And it’s still a journey, obviously. There’s never like a destination. But yeah, it wasn’t until like I was 24 that I was like, “Okay, like we got to switch up because I’m miserable. I hate myself and I want to like enjoy my life.” And I truly just wasn’t enjoying it.

Jessica Armstrong (08:00):

That is so amazing and it’s so true that we get to these points where we don’t know how to cope and we find different ways of doing so.

Jessica Armstrong (08:09):

But I loved that you had that awareness when you went to LA even though you weren’t labeling it or naming it yet. And it wasn’t until somebody introduced it and was kind of like, “Hey.”

Jessica Armstrong (08:23):

But you knew something wasn’t right. You knew internally like something didn’t feel right and this was not how you wanted to move forward. And it’s almost like that kind of gets the whole thing started, that momentum towards recovering.

Julia Parzyck (08:39):

Yeah, I kind of felt like I always describe it like it never sat well with me, the eating disorder and hating myself.

Julia Parzyck (08:45):

Like I felt as a kid growing up I was really confident, I was really like just really bold and then at some point that got stifled. And I was bullied in middle school and high school and that really affected my self-esteem and my self-worth.

Julia Parzyck (09:00):

And so, I wanted to make myself small out of like self-protection. I wanted to like be seen less I think. But I always describe it as like my pilot light was always on, like there was still a little flicker and it just needed to be like ignited again.

McKenzie Raymond (09:15):

What a beautiful like image for all of us to think about because I know I think most of us have felt like maybe when their light is dimmed in some way or it’s smaller than it needs to be.

McKenzie Raymond (09:28):

And like I see you as someone who’s just so fierce and confident now. And so, like the image of like this fire and like rising from those ashes, it just feels so true.

McKenzie Raymond (09:39):

I also want to just say thank you for like sharing so openly and vulnerably because I know that it is a lot, it’s a huge journey. And like you said, I changed the neural pathways in my brain and like everything, and that’s what we’re talking about.

McKenzie Raymond (09:57):

And that’s over years. Like I just want our listeners to know too. Like this is a practice. And I know in my own journey, like even if it’s sitting in meditation or something like that, it’s like anything being able to practice, like it’s an art and then it does get a little bit easier.

McKenzie Raymond (10:15):

What I heard and what you shared too is really that at a certain point, once you did seek out some help and really work with a therapist to get this under control was that you had this total mindset shift.

McKenzie Raymond (10:30):

And you realized like I feel like there was this honesty with yourself of like, “Oh my gosh, I’ve almost just accepted that like I’m just always going to hate my body. This is just what we do as women.”

McKenzie Raymond (10:41):

And somewhere in there, there was this total mindset shift of like, “Oh my gosh, no, I deserve to love myself and I deserve to (what I heard you say is) enjoy my life.” Like yes, you cannot enjoy the joyful moments if you are so all consumed in everything that you’re talking about.

Julia Parzyck (11:01):

Yeah. Once I had kind of gotten past like the really, really tough parts of recovery because it’s not like that mindset didn’t waiver. Like there were definitely times where I was like, “I hate this. I want to go back. What was I thinking?”

Julia Parzyck (11:17):

But I had this realization of like, “Oh my god, I have so much more space in my brain to worry about things that like actually mattered and not focused on my body all the time.”

Julia Parzyck (11:26):

Because when I moved out to LA, that was like a massive transition. I had moved across the country and was essentially kind of starting over.

Julia Parzyck (11:34):

And my anxiety had gotten so bad, and I was so hyper-focused on my body and what I was eating and counting almonds and all of these types of things that like the anxiety is so overwhelming that I was like, “I’m having a hard time just functioning throughout my day like. This can’t be healthy.”

Julia Parzyck (11:51):

And once I kind of got past that like really tough part of recovery, I was like, “Oh my gosh, there’s like space up here to think and like to be creative and to like find joy.” And like all of these other things just kind of like came back.

Julia Parzyck (12:04):

But like, yeah, there just wasn’t a lot of space in my brain outside of thinking about like my body and how skinny I looked in an outfit.

Jessica Armstrong (12:13):

Yeah, the anxiety can be real and can really take over. My story with alcohol’s very similar and I had-

Julia Parzyck (12:24):

So many similarities with eating disorders.

Jessica Armstrong (12:27):

I know. When I was taking kind of notes and about your story and I was like, “Wow, I’ve been almost through these same things.” Like at that point where you’re like, “This is just going to be who I am forever.”

Jessica Armstrong (12:40):

And it’s almost like you have to listen to that statement and be like, “Oh.” And some of it something inside you like is no.

Jessica Armstrong (12:48):

And I had to move away. Somebody told me once that you can’t heal where you’ve been hurt. And for me that was so impactful, and I moved out to Colorado. And a couple years later, I met my now husband and I’ve been sober for seven years.

Jessica Armstrong (13:09):

But it was like it’s so similar, that idea of not being able to cope with things, not feeling good enough. That was a big thing and that came really from my childhood. But it was like not knowing, never learning how to cope with things, never learning how to fit in.

Jessica Armstrong (13:24):

And so, the alcohol came really naturally because it made me feel like could fit in. But eventually it got to a point where it completely took over.

Julia Parzyck (13:33):

Oh yeah. I mean, I think I was like pretty well-functioning for a long time and when I was doing my eating disorder recovery coaching with clients, we often talked about like my eating disorder kind of protected me from a lot of things for a long time.

Julia Parzyck (13:47):

Like it was kind of like my secret best friend. It like helped me cope in certain ways. And then you get to a point where you’re like, “Okay, this coping mechanism isn’t working anymore. Like I’ve got to find a healthier way.”

Julia Parzyck (13:59):

But like for a long time, it did help me until I realized that like this is actually damaging myself and this is like really harmful to myself.

Julia Parzyck (14:07):

But I eventually kind of had to have this like gratitude for like that part of myself, that eating disorder part of me that was like this like little girl trying to cope with her anxiety and these like really big feelings that she didn’t know what to do with.

Jessica Armstrong (14:22):

That’s incredible that you said that because for one, it’s really great awareness on your part too and like acceptance of that’s really difficult to get to.

Jessica Armstrong (14:31):

And I literally had just gotten to this point, McKenzie knows, not too long ago because I started IFS, the inner family systems and like it’s really about loving all your parts and understanding why they’re there.

Jessica Armstrong (14:44):

And it got me to this point where I like literally could look at my time with alcohol and be like, “I survived because I had that for me.”

Jessica Armstrong (14:53):

And it just got to a point where it wasn’t working for me anymore. But it did do what it needed to do for the time.

Julia Parzyck (15:02):

Yeah, absolutely. And then you’re like, “Okay, now, it’s not working. I got to figure something else out because I’m driving myself insane.”

McKenzie Raymond (15:11):

Yes. Oh my god, I so relate to you said I just got sick of my own shit. And I’ve been on like my own kind of sober curious journey and I’ve also struggled with, I would say, just body image.

McKenzie Raymond (15:23):

I think now I have such a different relationship with my mind and my body. Like doing yoga, and doing workouts that make me feel good, and really like honoring my cycles. Like I’m not lifting a day before or the day of my period.

Julia Parzyck (15:39):

Absolutely.

McKenzie Raymond (15:40):

Like even that whole week, it’s like, “Are you kidding me?” Like really just like being able to like understand myself on a different level.

McKenzie Raymond (15:47):

I think that I wasn’t even really introduced to the idea of like looking in the mirror and like actually loving myself until really it was like 2018 and it was when I did my yoga teacher training.

McKenzie Raymond (16:03):

And we went through this whole like transformative experience and one of the facilitators there, her mom like growing up, was just the most like self-loving person ever.

McKenzie Raymond (16:14):

And so, whenever she would look in the mirror she would be like saying those positive affirmations. And so, then this woman grew up in that.

McKenzie Raymond (16:22):

And so, then to see her light and her joy and she’s just like so radiant. And it was like that story where I realized and I had this like moment with myself of like, “Oh my gosh, I totally see a picture of myself,” or whatever it is.

McKenzie Raymond (16:38):

And then I like pick out the thing that I don’t like, I’m so focused on that. And I think like, yeah, just having that integrity with yourself to be like, “I’m sick of this shit.”

McKenzie Raymond (16:48):

And whether it’s with like body image or some kind of addiction or even just an unhealthy or toxic like coping mechanism to be like, “Okay, what isn’t working here?” Because you will know.

McKenzie Raymond (17:03):

Like you said, there was no space for anything else. Like it was all-consuming and you could feel that that wasn’t right.

Julia Parzyck (17:11):

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And I so like resonate with just like the picture thing. And like we actually talk about this a lot in my support groups of just like why are like pictures and videos so triggering. And that’s like a whole ‘nother realm.

Julia Parzyck (17:24):

But like we also are growing up in a time where it’s like we’re constantly looking at ourselves. We’re like on these Zoom calls looking at ourselves, we’re on Instagram posting pictures of ourselves. We’re just like constantly consuming images of ourselves and other people.

Julia Parzyck (17:37):

And it’s like no wonder we get into this comparison trap of like what we think we need to look like or do to like stay relevant and pretty and all of these things. And yeah, it just gets all consuming if you don’t have this like great base of like a foundational self-love, it’s so easy to get wrapped up into it.

Julia Parzyck (17:57):

And I feel like every woman I ever talk to, like I don’t know anyone (it’s rare) that like hasn’t gone through any body image issues or any like unhealthy relationship with food or movement or anything like that. I just think sadly, it’s been like a part of our journeys.

Jessica Armstrong (18:14):

Yeah. I know that for me, I mean, I check the way I look all the time almost unconsciously, I’m not even realizing it. McKenzie and I were talking about this the other day. We’re like, “What are we going to look totally different.”

McKenzie Raymond (18:28):

What are we checking for? Like oh, that-

Julia Parzyck (18:30):

What am I looking for? Yeah.

McKenzie Raymond (18:32):

Like oh, that fat just magically disappeared or whatever it is. It’s like what am I looking at my jaw like that for?

Julia Parzyck (18:40):

Oh yeah.

Jessica Armstrong (18:41):

And in the sense of social media, we’re really putting ourselves out there to be judged as well. And like you said, if you don’t have that strong self-love foundation, that can be traumatic in its own right.

Jessica Armstrong (18:56):

I often am very grateful that I didn’t grow up in the time of social media because I just couldn’t imagine. I wouldn’t have been able to handle it. I just can’t imagine.

Julia Parzyck (19:10):

No, and I kind of like how you were inspired by your yoga teacher and stuff like that. I like my kind of like wake up call was, I was a teacher at the time, I was 24. I had just finished school, it was my first year of teaching. I was a fucking hot mess and stressed out, didn’t really know what the hell I was doing.

Julia Parzyck (19:28):

And I remember like I was a second grade teacher at the time and the seven year old student I had, we were like writing goals for the year. And I’m thinking this is like academic goals and goals for like things I want to accomplish this year.

Julia Parzyck (19:41):

And I didn’t really give too much like guidance. I was just like, “Let’s create some goals for the year.”

Julia Parzyck (19:46):

And one of this little girl’s goals was she wanted to have a flat stomach and abs. And it absolutely broke my heart, and I was just like, “Wait, what? You’re seven. Like this is what you’re thinking about?”

Julia Parzyck (19:57):

And well, I mean, it wasn’t too far off from like when I started thinking about that type of stuff. And it was this like wakeup call of like, “Shit, like it starts with us. It starts with like the parents, it starts with the teachers, it starts with like the information around them.”

Julia Parzyck (20:11):

And that was that kind of wake-up call where I was like, “Man, I want to be a mother. And like I refuse to pass down that type of shit to my children.”

Julia Parzyck (20:22):

And I was like, “I got to get this under control because this can’t be normal for a seven-year-old girl wanting a flat stomach. This is not something that you should be thinking about at that age.” And it was just this like, damn, we really got to do something about this.

McKenzie Raymond (20:36):

Yeah. Oh my gosh. That is like heartbreaking and so powerful. And I mean, it’s a good representation to be able to see at that young of an age what a little girl might be thinking about.

McKenzie Raymond (20:49):

Because it’s like I can’t really pinpoint like the exact year or something like that. Like I don’t necessarily have an experience.

McKenzie Raymond (20:56):

But yeah, to have that moment and like have her be this reflection to you too to be like, “Well, let me get this in check.”

Jessica Armstrong (21:05):

You both needed each other.

Julia Parzyck (21:08):

100%. I was like, “Oh my gosh, who knew that this little seven-year-old was going to be like my pivotal moment in my recovery.”

McKenzie Raymond (21:15):

Yeah, absolutely. That is so beautiful. I definitely want to talk about your support groups. I’m just curious more about like how they function and who you invite in and how it all works and would love for you to just explain all of the little details to us.

Julia Parzyck (21:32):

Yeah. So, I got into this space obviously, I wasn’t in the eating disorder recovery space until I started to recover, but I’ve always been really interested in mental health.

Julia Parzyck (21:42):

My mom’s a pediatrician and I love all things like mental health, and I wanted to work with like kids and youth.

Julia Parzyck (21:49):

And it ended up just kind of like shifting into really wanting to be in this eating disorder recovery space because I just wanted to kind of turn my pain into my passion, and it was something that I was really, really interested in.

Julia Parzyck (22:01):

And when I was out in LA, I started going to all these like women empowerment groups and events and I was just like, “Oh my gosh, I absolutely love this.”

Julia Parzyck (22:10):

And at the time, I was nannying here in Denver. I had like a pretty decent platform at the time and one of my best friends, Jane, who is a master’s level clinician in eating disorder therapy, (well, she was at the time) just saw a really big gap in like the recovery space and just the accessibility to it.

Julia Parzyck (22:30):

So, she created a eating disorder recovery coaching curriculum and I was her first coach under that. And so, I did eating disorder recovery coaching, like one-on-one for a couple years. Absolutely loved that.

Julia Parzyck (22:40):

Found myself getting spread a little bit too thin, doing that one-on-one coaching as much as I did. And then I was just kind of like, I love teaching. I went to school to be a teacher. I love doing workshops, I love doing events.

Julia Parzyck (22:54):

I love working with groups of women just because we like learn from each other. We all have such similar experiences but also different ways of living and different life experiences and we can just learn so much from each other.

Julia Parzyck (23:06):

And I was like, “Maybe I should do some group coaching and like support groups.” And so, I started my support groups earlier this year … or yeah, honestly, my concept of time is so messed up anyways. So, I’m like after COVID and I’m just like, “What is time?”

Julia Parzyck (23:23):

So, yeah, this is my third round of support groups and it’s for women and non-binary and we meet once a week for eight weeks. And we just talk about things like body image and talk about things like joyful movement and intuitive eating.

Julia Parzyck (23:36):

And the way the group works is we come together, I’m certified in breath work and so we do like a breath work to kind of ground and get settled into our space.

Julia Parzyck (23:46):

And then I do a guided writing prompt, so everybody like journals for 10 to 15 minutes. And then we come together and just talk about things that came up, really just hear each other’s stories, kind of bounce off each other, give each other ideas on how to like, “Oh, I really love this type of self-care or this really helped me with intuitive eating.”

Julia Parzyck (24:05):

And the cool thing is like everybody’s in different places. Like I have a 65-year-old mom and then I have someone that’s over in Ireland. I have some people that are just starting their recovery journey.

Julia Parzyck (24:14):

I have some people that are like, “I’ve got intuitive eating down, but joyful movements really hard.” So, we’re all just like kind of learning from each other. And then I give them like a little bit of homework and then yeah, we just like come back.

Julia Parzyck (24:25):

And people that have already done the support groups, I have like a continued support group that meets every other week for eight weeks and we have like a little messaging group and stuff like that just to give each other like inspiration and stuff like that.

Julia Parzyck (24:37):

But I genuinely love it so much. I kind of took a break from the coaching space for a little bit and I love that the support groups are yes, a lot of support, but it also, brings in the components of teaching for me and people get to learn about some like new ideas and stuff like that.

Julia Parzyck (24:55):

It just is a really loving, amazing, warm, supportive space. It’s something that I wish I had growing up or in the time when I was like really struggling with my body image and I was like, “Okay, well, then like why don’t I create that?” So, that’s kind of how that came about.

McKenzie Raymond (25:11):

That is so amazing. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, we both Jessica and I love women’s retreats. She’s actually-

Julia Parzyck (25:19):

They’re the best.

McKenzie Raymond (25:20):

I know. She’s actually like coming here tomorrow and we’re going into retreat together, so-

Jessica Armstrong (25:26):

Yay. I’m in.

McKenzie Raymond (25:28):

But like your whole container that you’re describing, it feels like that safe, sacred place for healing and women connecting. And I love that you open it to women and non-binary and that you can just create that safe space.

McKenzie Raymond (25:45):

And like you said, this is something that you wish you had. And so, to create and turn your pain into your passion, I mean, it is so inspiring.

Julia Parzyck (25:54):

Thank you. Yeah, it’s a new thing that I’m really happy that I kind of created because it’s really like soul-filling for me.

Jessica Armstrong (26:03):

My favorite type of like group, especially getting in women’s groups, is journaling and then like sharing. Like that’s like one of my favorite kind.

Julia Parzyck (26:12):

And it’s so vulnerable, but I just love it.

Jessica Armstrong (26:16):

I know. I’m kind of one of those people who will start it off. Like I’ll be like, “I’ll be vulnerable first.” Because like I just-

Julia Parzyck (26:23):

I’m a big feeler.

Jessica Armstrong (26:25):

Yes. I love to share and especially with people who are there to listen and we can all do that for each other. Oh, it’s just my favorite.

Jessica Armstrong (26:34):

And I’ve learned, I always come out of that space with so much more knowledge about myself, so much more love for myself and others. It’s the best.

Jessica Armstrong (26:43):

And I love this joyful movements idea. Could you explain a little bit more about that?

Julia Parzyck (26:51):

Yeah. So, I’m someone that like I’ve always loved moving my body. I played sports growing up. I was always someone that like loved to be outdoors. And then I got diet culture hijacked and ruined everything.

Julia Parzyck (27:03):

And I got really obsessed with different types of workout plans and at that point I like was definitely in like orthorexia. I was just like obsessively clean eating.

Julia Parzyck (27:13):

I was like only working out to like burn calories. I would like kill myself essentially on like running every single day, like five, six miles a day, elliptical, all that type of stuff.

Julia Parzyck (27:24):

And it just took so much joy out of it. Like there was just no joy in movement anymore and I was solely doing it because I hated my body and I wanted to change it.

Julia Parzyck (27:35):

And when I was in recovery, my therapist and registered dietician at the time really were like, “Okay, you need to like pull back on exercise and movement.”

Julia Parzyck (27:46):

I was in like the CrossFit community at that point and well, I love lifting heavy weights and all that type of stuff.

Julia Parzyck (27:51):

And it really helped me kind of like kind of create a new image of how like I envisioned women. It was like this like strong, powerful, like can lift heavy shit, but also got really obsessive. Like I couldn’t move my body in a non-obsessive way.

Julia Parzyck (28:07):

And so, I really had to like stop movement kind of like for a good period of time. And that terrified me because I was like, “Oh my gosh, what’s going to happen if I’m not doing these workouts.” Like I was just like I felt so much guilt and shame like, “Well, I ate pizza last night, so I have to burn this.”

Julia Parzyck (28:23):

And I really kind of had to start fresh with my relationship with movement and learn to intuitively listen to my body. Like you kind of said with like the cycles of like I’m not going to lift like a week before my period or like really just honoring and listening to my body.

Julia Parzyck (28:40):

Because there were just so many points where I like pushed it beyond feeling comfortable and like forced myself to do things that like I didn’t enjoy. And like running like I’m not a runner and I don’t like running, but I was like, “But it burns calories and I need to do cardio.”

Julia Parzyck (28:55):

And so, I really just had to create this like new idea around movement. And that’s something I love talking about in support groups is like creating healthy intentions around movement. Like what are my intentions with movement and how do I remove anything aesthetic based from that?

Julia Parzyck (29:09):

And like this idea of I’m doing it because I hate my body and instead shifting into this mindset of I’m doing it because it’s really supportive for my mental health. It allows me to get outside in nature.

Julia Parzyck (29:20):

And like joyful movement encompasses everything. It can be vacuuming your home, it can be dancing in your kitchen, it can be going for a walk, it can be stretching, it can actually be resting.

Julia Parzyck (29:30):

And so, it was like knowing that like joyful movement allowed me to move my body in a multitude of ways. Not just going to the gym and doing cardio and lifting weights.

Julia Parzyck (29:42):

And really having some healthy boundaries. I was just shared on my stories the other day or I think it was yesterday I went to the gym. It’s a week before my period, I had like this plan of like, “Oh, I’m going to do these movements.”

Julia Parzyck (29:52):

And I just got to a point where I was like, “Nope, my body’s tired, I think I’m good.” And I just left the gym.

Julia Parzyck (29:59):

And it was like in the past, it’d be like I have to push myself, I have to do this, I have to finish this workout, otherwise I’m going to feel guilty. And then it would just be this like overwhelming amount of like shame. And it was like, no, my body’s tired. Let me honor that.

Julia Parzyck (30:11):

And now, I have this really great relationship with movement where it involves me going for walks or bike rides and trying different classes and weightlifting and swimming and doing all of these things. And it’s like I have so many more options now, which I really, really love.

McKenzie Raymond (30:26):

Yeah. And you can find joy in them. Like you’re going on a walk or skipping through the park, like that gets to count. And I think like it’s right on brand with our theme of being enough.

McKenzie Raymond (30:39):

Like the fact that you yesterday could tune in and feel, “Hey, I’m tired and what I’ve done is enough and me walking out of this gym is still enough and I’m good.” And like that takes a lot, that takes-

Julia Parzyck (30:55):

Oh, it was terrifying to do at first. I was like, “Oh my god, what horrible things are going to happen.” And nothing bad happened, I just had to deal with the anxiety that came up.

Jessica Armstrong (31:06):

I like how you put that, you just have to kind of deal with the anxiety that came up. And that’s the great thing about this joyful movement ideas that you learn a lot about yourself and your body.

Jessica Armstrong (31:17):

It’s all about connecting back. And I’m sure you felt quite disconnected from yourself when you’re doing just to work out when you were in that kind of obsessive need to workout.

Jessica Armstrong (31:29):

And now, this joyful movement is welcoming in all kinds of things. You’re learning about what you love, you’re having different days of … and you’re able to honor yourself in the way that you need to. It’s beautiful.

Julia Parzyck (31:43):

Yeah. I just feel way more like connected to myself and I don’t think I realized that I was so disconnected for so long with my eating, with movement. Like it was also connected.

Julia Parzyck (31:53):

Like I didn’t know what it felt like to like genuinely be full and satisfied and satiated. I didn’t know what it felt like to have normal hunger cues. Like I didn’t know what it felt like to like joyfully move my body and get to a point where I was like, “I’m good here and I’m going to go home.”

Julia Parzyck (32:10):

My journey of recovery has just really allowed me to be intuitive with myself, which I think kind of scared me at first. Like it was just like, “Ooh, what’s going to come up?”

Julia Parzyck (32:21):

And I think I’m someone that’s had sexual trauma and also like dealt with some pretty heavy stuff in like my younger years and I think as a coping mechanism, I ran away from my body. I dissociated from my body.

Julia Parzyck (32:34):

And so, coming back to my body was definitely like a little scary. But now, that I just like feel so in tune, I’m like ugh, I feel like really grounded and knowing that my body and my mind are going to give me like the correct signals. And I get to choose to listen to them and like honor them.

McKenzie Raymond (32:52):

Oh absolutely. Yeah, that’s so beautiful. Like being able to trust yourself and your intuition. And like your example of getting distanced from that part of yourself when it was this protection, it was this mechanism to just forget and dissociate.

McKenzie Raymond (33:08):

And to be able to now, be where you are. I mean, I think for anyone listening, for Jessica and myself, it’s so amazing to like see the transformation that’s possible. I feel like so connected, so much of what you have shared in my own journey.

McKenzie Raymond (33:27):

And I love like even the idea of joyful movement and that you said rest can be joyful movement.

Jessica Armstrong (33:34):

Just before we move on, I really wanted to ask this because you said that you do still have those bad body days and I think this is kind of goes into that like navigating things like anxiety now, and knowing how to do that better.

Jessica Armstrong (33:47):

And a lot of us do have those and would love to, even if you have just a few tips on kind of what helps you navigate that.

Julia Parzyck (33:59):

Yeah. Most of the time it’s like honestly kind of around my cycle, my period and like knowing that like hormonally there’s a big shift.

Julia Parzyck (34:06):

But one thing that I think really, really helped me, and I’ll probably end up saying a few things, but one I think was that like my body isn’t actually changing. I think the body checking that was something that like would cause a lot of these like body image days was just like hyper fixating on my body.

Julia Parzyck (34:22):

But if there’s ever a day where I like wake up and I’m just like, “Ah, like I don’t feel great in my body today,” is like one, knowing that like it’s just a day. It’s just a moment, like I’m not stuck here. And just because I feel this way doesn’t mean that I need to physically do anything to change that.

Julia Parzyck (34:38):

I think in the past it was like, “Oh, I need to be really great with like my meal plan. I need to work out and do all that stuff.” And like now, it’s like, “Okay, what does my mind need right now? Because it’s not a body problem, it’s a brain problem today.”

Julia Parzyck (34:51):

And so, it’s like, “Okay, I’m going to make sure I have like my nice slow mornings. I’m going to play some music and I’m going to like dance and be in my body. That feels like really joy for me.”

Julia Parzyck (34:59):

“I’m going to like throw on comfy clothes because wearing like tight jeans is not going to feel good on my body. I don’t want to draw attention to places that like are like that sticking point for me.”

Julia Parzyck (35:10):

Like the big thing for me is like reaching out for support. Like I’m going to tell my girlfriend like, “Ugh, like I’m just like not feeling great in my body today.”

Julia Parzyck (35:18):

And like just asking for that support. I think I felt a lot of shame in the past for feeling those things and it’s like, no, it’s okay to like ask your friends or your family for like a little extra love and support for yourself on those days.

Julia Parzyck (35:29):

And just again, knowing that like I’m not stuck here. And doing the best I can if I’m having those thoughts and feelings that are coming up, like trying to intercept them with more positive, helpful thoughts about myself.

Julia Parzyck (35:42):

Obviously, sometimes that doesn’t work, but the best thing that I can do is just try.

Julia Parzyck (35:48):

And so, again, like kind of reframing those negative thoughts that maybe coming up in my brain for the day and yeah, just hoping that the next day that I feel a little bit better. And usually the next day I’m like, “Oh my God, wow. I feel great about myself.”

Julia Parzyck (36:02):

And knowing that like those are the ebbs and flows of the journey. Like I’m not expected to love myself every single day and every single part of my body.

Julia Parzyck (36:09):

And that’s why I really love the idea of body neutrality is just being a little bit more neutral about the way I view myself and the way I feel about myself.

Julia Parzyck (36:17):

Because if you’re over here and you hate your body and you’re like, “I want to get to body love,” there’s like so much space in the middle that feels like, can I even get there? That feels really like inaccessible.

Julia Parzyck (36:28):

And so, like this body neutrality is somewhere in the middle where it’s like I know that I’m not going to love every single part of my body, but what I do know is like I have to be kind and gentle with myself.

Julia Parzyck (36:38):

And so, from those days I lean a little bit more towards like the body neutrality and that feels a little bit more accessible for me.

Jessica Armstrong (36:45):

Yeah, that’s incredible advice. It’s take care of yourself on those days.

Julia Parzyck (36:51):

Yeah, instead of being mean. It’s like those days that I was like the hardest on myself and I was like, “No. Like I actually need to be like overdoing the like self-care, the self-love, like being really gentle.”

Julia Parzyck (37:04):

And it was like I didn’t realize that like I was kind of digging myself into a hole by just like being even harder on myself on those days.

McKenzie Raymond (37:14):

Yeah. Just like the simple act of throwing on a pair of sweatpants and being totally comfortable, like that totally hit home. I’m like, “Oh yes.”

Julia Parzyck (37:21):

Yeah. Let me throw on like a baggy mumu. Nothing touching my body.

Jessica Armstrong (37:26):

I gave up jeans a long time ago.

Julia Parzyck (37:30):

Oh my gosh. Thank God the skinny jean trend is out and like the baggy hanging jeans off your body is in because I can get behind that.

Jessica Armstrong (37:38):

I love them more too.

Julia Parzyck (37:40):

I think I look so cute. Yeah. And I’m like, I love this like Adam Sandler baggy era that we’re all in. I’m here for it.

Jessica Armstrong (37:49):

I’m here for it. Yes.

McKenzie Raymond (37:51):

Totally. One thing that like really stuck out to me and how you were sharing about like those bad body days is allowing yourself to be in the discomfort.

McKenzie Raymond (37:58):

Like instead of being like, “Oh, I really got to get my meal planning on track,” or like whatever it was that you were kind of like grasping to, it’s like no going inward, like you said, giving yourself that total self-care.

McKenzie Raymond (38:11):

Recognizing like, “Oh, I am having one of these days.” Like naming it so that you can then do what you need to like feel better or at least neutral in that moment.

Julia Parzyck (38:22):

Yeah. Like trying to fix it, trying to run away from it isn’t going to be helpful. Like maybe I just need to like sit in the fact that today isn’t going to be a day that I feel really wonderful about my body and that’s okay. Like that’s part of the human experience.

Jessica Armstrong (38:35):

It almost gives you permission to rest. When I was in Bali, the women there love-

Julia Parzyck (38:42):

I love Bali so much.

Jessica Armstrong (38:43):

Oh my god, I did not want to leave. I can’t even tell you, I can’t wait to get back.

Jessica Armstrong (38:47):

But it’s when they’re on their period, they take it as a great thing because it’s a time to get rest. They don’t have to go to temple, they don’t have to do any of the work around the house. They just rest.

Jessica Armstrong (39:00):

And so, they have a whole different mindset around it. Like they welcome it as a time to take pause and it’s amazing.

Julia Parzyck (39:08):

Yeah. Permission to pause, permission to rest. I think that’s like been a big part of my like recovery journey is like being like you don’t have to be doing something all the time.

McKenzie Raymond (39:19):

And like when you said it’s like a bad brain day, I think is how you put it or like my body is not the issue, I’m having just like a bad moment.

Julia Parzyck (39:29):

It’s a brain problem. Yeah, not a body problem.

McKenzie Raymond (39:31):

I mean, it just like totally sums it up for me. I’m like, “Yep, I so relate.”

Julia Parzyck (39:37):

Yeah. It’s like, oh, overnight did somehow my body magically change? No, I liked my body yesterday and today I hate it. So, definitely something going on up here, not down here.

McKenzie Raymond (39:48):

Yeah. And like you said, your body’s not changing. Like that just hit home so much because it’s like okay in those hyper-fixated states, it’s like what am I searching for, as we were saying earlier.

McKenzie Raymond (39:59):

And to just know it’s like our evolution and our transformation of like who we’re becoming and being able to have a healthy relationship with what that is.

McKenzie Raymond (40:12):

Okay. So, the thing that I wanted to ask about was your breath work. Breath work is something that like I am super interested in.

McKenzie Raymond (40:20):

And I was curious, I don’t know if you have like a breath work exercise that you could lead us through, like even just a short little one. And then our listeners can like get a little treat as well as they listen in.

Julia Parzyck (40:33):

Yeah. So, I got my training through … yeah, I love doing breath work. I’m someone like I’ve really tried to get into meditation. I wish I could like do it. And I know it’s a practice, I know it’s something that you learn.

Julia Parzyck (40:45):

But for my little ADHD, neurodivergent brain, like breath work is something that like I get the meditation but also, like I’m hyper-focusing on something else so I can stay a little bit more present in the practice. Whereas like meditation, it’s like I’m ping ping, like I’m everywhere.

Julia Parzyck (41:02):

So, breathwork feels more accessible for me. And I got my training through XPT, it’s Extreme Performance Training and we do like ice and heat with like the sauna and ice baths and stuff like that.

Julia Parzyck (41:13):

And found it to be like really, really helpful with my anxiety. And so, I love facilitating it. And honestly my favorite, favorite type of breath work is box breath because it’s just so simple.

Julia Parzyck (41:27):

So, get yourself in a comfortable position, close your eyes. Start to deepen your inhale and exhale. You don’t need to change anything about your breath right now, but just start to notice it.

Julia Parzyck (41:39):

Notice what it feels like to have your belly full of air and empty. Really just start to notice how your body feels, how your mind feels right now. If any thoughts come in, you can just acknowledge them and let them go.

Julia Parzyck (41:56):

And box breath as you continue to breathe like this, I’ll explain what box breath is. You’re going to do a four-second inhale, a four-second hold, a four-second exhale, and a four-second hold.

Julia Parzyck (42:09):

So, I want you to take the biggest breath you have all day, make sure those shoulders are down, suck in a little bit more air if you can, and allow to exhale.

Julia Parzyck (42:21):

And I want you to inhale for two, three, four, hold. Two, three, four, exhale. Two, three, four, hold. Two, three, four, inhale. Two, three, four, hold. Two, three, four, exhale. Two, three, four, hold. Two, three, four.

Julia Parzyck (43:01):

And keep breathing at this cadence. I really love this one. You can add on, you can pull back. You feel like you want to kind of push that edge a little bit. You can increase those inhales and those holds and exhales.

Julia Parzyck (43:15):

Breath work’s just a really great way for us to like soothe our parasympathetic nervous system, to ground ourself in the moment and really just connect with our bodies.

Julia Parzyck (43:25):

So, wherever you are, I just want you to come back to your normal breath and you can open your eyes when you’re ready. Just a little short one.

McKenzie Raymond (43:35):

Thank you so much. Wow. I feel like grounded and refreshed and like refocused. That was so nice.

Jessica Armstrong (43:44):

I’m ready for my flight later or in the morning. I’m grounded and ready.

Julia Parzyck (43:49):

Yeah, I love them. And there’s so many different types of cadences. Like I love ones that like the power breath where it’s like a little bit more like invigorating and like definitely gets like your heart pumping but it like really grounds your nervous system.

Julia Parzyck (44:01):

I love doing breath holds. Like it’s definitely something I love to incorporate just because you always have your breath on hands.

Julia Parzyck (44:08):

Like it’s always just like a great thing to have in your pocket of like, “Am I stressed? Let me take 10 deep breaths, let me do some box breath right now.” It’s like always found to just be like really grounding.

Jessica Armstrong (44:19):

And what a great point about with the ADHD, which I think is something also a lot of millennials have. I know I do.

Jessica Armstrong (44:28):

And I struggle a lot with meditation too. I always have. And it’s something that I’ve always wanted to be a part of my day.

Jessica Armstrong (44:34):

And it makes so much sense to me that breath work, the way you explained it especially, I’m like, “That makes so much sense.” Because you do have something that you can actively pay attention to in a way, like if it’s counting. And it allows your brain to kind of relax more.

Julia Parzyck (44:49):

Kind of quiets things a little bit more. I can like focus on like the counting, the cadence while still getting those benefits of meditation and really just like being in my body. But like my little hyper-focused brain can like go inward a little bit more.

Jessica Armstrong (45:06):

Give it a little something to let it allow it to be perfect.

Julia Parzyck (45:11):

It’s like a fidget spinner in meditation for me.

Jessica Armstrong (45:14):

That’s great.

McKenzie Raymond (45:15):

Oh my gosh, that’s so good. And I feel like too, just like as a yoga teacher and like all of this type of work, I am like all about just taking a deep breath or like taking 10 deep breaths so that I feel like something like box breath just lets me get even deeper into it because it like takes a little more effort than just like taking a deep breath.

McKenzie Raymond (45:37):

So, that was so nice. Your guidance was like so peaceful too. I loved that.

Julia Parzyck (45:42):

Yay. Yeah, my support group, Vibe Energy is like more calm and soothing versus my like … it’s both of me. But yeah, I definitely have like a calm side to myself sometimes.

Jessica Armstrong (45:55):

I love that.

McKenzie Raymond (45:56):

So good. Well, at the end of our episodes with our guests, we like to ask just a couple final questions just to give back to our listeners and let them kind of like take away a little something.

McKenzie Raymond (46:08):

So, I am curious, Julia, what is a book that you are either like currently nerding out on or you just are obsessed with, and you would recommend to a friend?

Julia Parzyck (46:19):

Yeah. I pulled it aside so I could remember it, but The Happiness Trap. I absolutely love The Happiness Trap. It’s something that I’ve used a ton with like my clients. It’s been really helpful for myself.

Julia Parzyck (46:31):

It’s essentially like we’re obsessed with trying to be happy all the time. And I think that’s why we get depressed. Is like we’re trying so hard to be happy instead of allowing ourselves like to be part of the human experience.

Julia Parzyck (46:43):

And it gives some really, really great wonderful ways to like reframe, to like think about your thoughts, to like dissect your thoughts to sometimes just be with your thoughts.

Julia Parzyck (46:52):

And so, I really, really love this book. It’s been so helpful for myself and my clients.

Julia Parzyck (46:57):

And I also just love reading. I’m currently reading Mad Honey, which is just a novel by Jodi Picoult.

Julia Parzyck (47:02):

And I just love kind of like zoning out and not worrying about always taking in a bunch of information all the time and just like allowing myself to enjoy a novel.

Jessica Armstrong (47:12):

Totally.

McKenzie Raymond (47:13):

I’m glad you gave those two options because I’m the same. Like I definitely love the self-help.

McKenzie Raymond (47:19):

Like don’t get me wrong, I love to just like get really into it and be like, “Ooh, how can I apply this? Or like, how can I use this in my life? Or like in a coaching container.” But I also love a good novel and being able to just like step away.

Julia Parzyck (47:33):

There’s a time and place for both of them.

McKenzie Raymond (47:36):

Yeah, totally. Thank you.

Jessica Armstrong (47:38):

And what is a self-care practice that you’re currently indulging in?

Julia Parzyck (47:45):

I will always indulge in my kitchen dancing. If I’m feeling down, I’m going to turn on my favorite song and I’m going to dance in my kitchen. If I’m feeling sad, if I’m feeling depressed, whatever. It always seems to help.

Julia Parzyck (47:56):

Like I just truly love moving my body in that type of way. And like turning on music and just zoning out and having no judgment about how I look or move. And yeah, just being in my body, it always seems to just really just make me feel good about myself.

Julia Parzyck (48:12):

So, I will always recommend turning on fun music and dancing in your kitchen.

Jessica Armstrong (48:16):

I love that one. That’s one of my favorites for sure. When I’m cleaning or just if I’m really needing a little like pick me up. It’s just so good. And my only audience is the cats and they love it too.

Julia Parzyck (48:33):

Yeah, I’m here for it. Sometimes if I’m like, “You know what, I actually want to cry.” I might even turn on a sad song and cry to that because I love crying. So, it’s like music for me is just like incredibly healing in all of the ways.

McKenzie Raymond (48:44):

Beautiful. Thank you. Yes. I’m going to have to play with that one a little because I feel like I usually do my spontaneous dancing, like as I’m getting pumped up for something.

McKenzie Raymond (48:55):

But to just like go in the kitchen, I feel like it would just take me to a different place and grab a little spoon and use it as a microphone.

Julia Parzyck (49:05):

You have to, you have to. I grew up doing that. That’s like I think how I got it doing that is like my mom and I would grab wooden spoons and sing and dance in the kitchen and I’m like, it was fun.

Julia Parzyck (49:16):

I love play and I love like just allowing my like inner child to just shine through and that is like one of the best ways to do it for me.

McKenzie Raymond (49:25):

Oh my gosh, I love that you mentioned that. Our whole retreat is play themed.

Julia Parzyck (49:30):

Oh my God. Yay. Oh, I love that. You’ll have to tell me how it goes. Ugh, play is like everything.

McKenzie Raymond (49:34):

I will.

McKenzie Raymond (49:36):

I felt like you being on the podcast is like the perfect little precursor to our retreat because I was like, it’s going to be so playful and fun. So, I feel like you got us started off.

McKenzie Raymond (49:47):

So, on that note, playing, going on trips, getting to play in other countries or other states. Our last question for you is we’re curious what is like a bucket list destination or maybe somewhere you want to go right now?

Julia Parzyck (50:01):

Yeah. Man, I’ve been traveling so much. I went to like Bali, Thailand, Portugal in like the last year or whatever. And I think my girlfriends and I were wanting to do a group trip to Jamaica for our birthdays in February. I’ve never been to Jamaica.

Julia Parzyck (50:15):

So, Jamaica’s on the list, but I really, really want to explore Africa. I think I’d love to go on an African safari. But honestly if someone was like, “You’re going here,” and it’s just somewhere out of the country, sign me up.

Julia Parzyck (50:27):

Like I love experiencing new cultures and trying new foods and just being in new places. So, I don’t know, I don’t know where next is too, but hopefully Jamaica in February.

Jessica Armstrong (50:38):

I love that.

McKenzie Raymond (50:38):

Awesome.

Jessica Armstrong (50:39):

I’ve heard it’s beautiful there. Any February 13th birthdays in there?

Julia Parzyck (50:44):

Oh no, I’m February 9th and my friends is the 12th, so right around there. I’m a little Aquarius baby.

Jessica Armstrong (50:52):

Yes. I felt that Aquarius connection there.

Julia Parzyck (50:58):

Yes. We’re definitely like an odd pair. Like I love Aquarius. Just very like different.

Jessica Armstrong (51:03):

Yes, I think so. It’s like you kind of have that great like outgoing, free-flowing energy, but you also have this kind of like down-to-earth and organized energy.

Julia Parzyck (51:14):

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I love it.

Jessica Armstrong (51:17):

Yay. Cool.

Jessica Armstrong (51:18):

Well, thank you so much for being here with us. This was such an amazing conversation on such an important topic and your support groups sound incredible. We just need more and more of that for the collective, for women to get together and share and experience things that we do all go through. And I just love that.

Jessica Armstrong (51:39):

And thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing your story.

Julia Parzyck (51:43):

Thank you so much for having me. It was honestly such a wonderful conversation. Super excited to listen to it. And have the best time on your retreat. Thank you so much for having me.

McKenzie Raymond (51:52):

Yes, thank you. I’m already dreaming of the day that we’re all in some foreign country together.

Jessica Armstrong (51:58):

Yes.

McKenzie Raymond (51:59):

I could just feel it already. I’m like we’re planting that seed right here right now.

Julia Parzyck (52:03):

Yes. Manifest it.

McKenzie Raymond (52:04):

Yes, totally. Thank you so much for being on and we’ll link all of your details in the show notes. So, if you want to join one of Julia’s support groups or follow her on Instagram, you can find all those details below.

Julia Parzyck (52:17):

Yay. Thank you so much.

Jessica Armstrong (52:19):

Thanks, everybody.

McKenzie Raymond (52:23):

We know this time is precious to you and because we are insanely joyful that you are spending it with us, we always want to deliver authentic vulnerability and dive deep into what we are feeling as a collective.

Jessica Armstrong (52:35):

Our intention is to bring you stories and guests that provide you the opportunity to discover aha moments so you leave our conversations feeling lighter and knowing what you do today will be good enough.

McKenzie Raymond (52:48):

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